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There's also around 200 ml of apparently empty space (ventricles) filled with clear fluid (cerebral spinal fluid, or CSF)
Normal adult ventricular volume is much smaller than 200 mL. Standard references put ventricular CSF at roughly 25 mL, with total CSF around 150 mL.
Full reasoning
This sentence conflates total CSF volume with ventricular volume.
Authoritative references describe adult CSF volume as about 150 mL total, with only about 25 mL in the ventricles:
- StatPearls: "In adults, total CSF volume measures approximately 150 ml—about 125 ml within the subarachnoid spaces and 25 ml within the ventricles."
- Physiological Reviews: "The ventricles in healthy young adults have a volume of ∼25 mL, representing <20% of total CSF volume (130–150 mL)."
So saying the ventricles contain "around 200 ml" is not a small rounding issue; it overstates normal ventricular volume by roughly an order of magnitude.
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- Physiology, Cerebral Spinal Fluid - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf
In adults, total CSF volume measures approximately 150 ml-about 125 ml within the subarachnoid spaces and 25 ml within the ventricles.
- Fluid transport in the brain - PMC
The ventricles in healthy young adults have a volume of ∼25 mL, representing <20% of total CSF volume (130–150 mL).
After around 60 seconds, the cytoplasm forms a gel that traps essentially all proteins, DNA, lipids, etc in-place
The cited fixation study does not support a 60-second near-complete immobilization claim. It reports aldehyde fixation times in the range of minutes to over an hour, with glutaraldehyde fixing cytosolic proteins in under 4 minutes, not 60 seconds.
Full reasoning
The cited paper says something importantly different from what the article claims.
Huebinger et al. measured how long aldehyde fixation takes to stop cytosolic protein movement. Their abstract states that fixation times "greatly vary from less than 4 to more than 60 minutes, depending on the aldehydes used." In the results, they report that 2% glutaraldehyde fixed cytoplasmic proteins within 4 minutes.
So the paper does not show that after "around 60 seconds" the cytoplasm has already formed a gel that traps essentially all proteins, DNA, lipids, etc. If anything, it emphasizes that fixation proceeds on the timescale of minutes, not one minute, and also notes lipid blebbing and redistribution artifacts during aldehyde fixation.
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- Quantification of protein mobility and associated reshuffling of cytoplasm during chemical fixation | Scientific Reports
We found that fixation times greatly vary from less than 4 to more than 60 minutes, depending on the aldehydes used.
- Quantification of protein mobility and associated reshuffling of cytoplasm during chemical fixation | Scientific Reports
In contrast, 2% GA, which is often used as a fixative for electron microscopy, fixed cytoplasmic proteins within 4 min.
Neither do the long-range connections in the white matter
White matter is not fixed during learning. Reviews of human and animal work report learning-related structural changes in white matter, including myelination and other tract-level changes.
Full reasoning
This is too absolute. White matter does change with learning.
A major review in Nature Neuroscience states plainly that "Human brain imaging has identified structural changes in gray and white matter that occur with learning." The same review summarizes training-related white-matter changes in adults.
Likewise, a review on adaptive myelination explains that CNS myelin is "dynamically regulated throughout development and life" and that neuronal activity can regulate myelination itself. Because white matter is largely made of long-range axons plus their myelin and supporting glia, these findings directly contradict the claim that the long-range white-matter connections do not change in response to learning.
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- Plasticity in Gray and White: Neuroimaging changes in brain structure during learning - PMC
Human brain imaging has identified structural changes in gray and white matter that occur with learning.
- Adaptive myelination from fish to man - PMC
it is now also clear, particularly in the central nervous system, that myelin is not a simple static insulator but that it is dynamically regulated throughout development and life.
A human patient's ECG going to zero as they're progressively cooled.
The figure and paper are about EEG, not ECG. Stecker et al. studied electroencephalogram changes during cooling toward electrocerebral silence.
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This caption mixes up ECG (electrocardiogram, heart electrical activity) with EEG (electroencephalogram, brain electrical activity).
The cited paper is titled "Deep hypothermic circulatory arrest: I. Effects of cooling on electroencephalogram and evoked potentials" and its abstract discusses EEG burst suppression and electrocerebral silence during cooling. So the traces in this context are EEG traces, not ECG.
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- Deep hypothermic circulatory arrest: I. Effects of cooling on electroencephalogram and evoked potentials - PubMed
Deep hypothermic circulatory arrest: I. Effects of cooling on electroencephalogram and evoked potentials.
- Deep hypothermic circulatory arrest: I. Effects of cooling on electroencephalogram and evoked potentials - PubMed
Results: The mean nasopharyngeal temperature when periodic complexes appeared in the electroencephalogram after cooling was 29.6 degrees C ... and electrocerebral silence appeared at 17.8 degrees C.
their brain activity stops completely
The cited DHCA paper does not show that brain activity reliably 'stops completely' at about 16°C. It found substantial inter-patient variability, with complete EEG silence not guaranteed even by 18°C or 30 minutes of cooling.
Full reasoning
Stecker et al. measured electroencephalogram (EEG) changes during cooling for deep hypothermic circulatory arrest. Their results do not support a fixed threshold where brain activity "stops completely" at around 16°C.
What they actually reported:
- Mean temperature for electrocerebral silence was 17.8°C ± 4°C.
- Only 60% of patients reached electrocerebral silence by 18°C or 30 minutes of cooling.
- The authors concluded that the only absolute predictors of electrocerebral silence were cooling below 12.5°C or longer than 50 minutes.
So the paper itself shows that complete EEG silence is variable and is not reliably achieved just because a patient has been cooled to about 16°C.
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- Deep hypothermic circulatory arrest: I. Effects of cooling on electroencephalogram and evoked potentials - PubMed
The mean nasopharyngeal temperature ... electrocerebral silence appeared at 17.8 degrees C +/- 4 degrees C.
- Deep hypothermic circulatory arrest: I. Effects of cooling on electroencephalogram and evoked potentials - PubMed
Only 60% of patients demonstrated electrocerebral silence by either a nasopharyngeal temperature of 18 degrees C or a cooling time of 30 minutes. Conclusions: ... the only absolute predictors of electrocerebral silence were nasopharyngeal temperature below 12.5 degrees C and cooling longer than 50 minutes.