www.lesswrong.com/posts/MsjWPWjAerDtiQ3Do/on-the-independence-axiom
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If you are maximally uncertain and average uniformly over these possibilities, the expected proportion is 30/60 = 1/2, which matches the known-probability case.
This mixes up two different quantities. In the classic Ellsberg urn, the known probability is 1/3 for drawing red; under a uniform prior over black-ball counts, the expected probability of drawing black is also 1/3, not 1/2.
Full reasoning
In the standard Ellsberg setup, the known-probability bet is the bet on red, and its win probability is 30/90 = 1/3. If you put a uniform prior over the 61 possible numbers of black balls among the 60 non-red balls, the expected number of black balls is 30, so the expected probability of drawing black from the full urn is 30/90 = 1/3 as well.
The post's 30/60 = 1/2 calculation is the expected share of black among the 60 non-red balls, not the probability of drawing a black ball from the 90-ball urn. So it does not “match the known-probability case” as stated.
Put differently:
- expected black count among the ambiguous 60 balls = 30;
- expected black fraction among those 60 balls = 30/60 = 1/2;
- expected probability of drawing black from the urn = 30/90 = 1/3.
The article's sentence conflates the middle quantity with the last one.
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- Imprecise Probabilities (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
"I have an urn that contains ninety marbles. Thirty marbles are red. The remainder are blue or yellow in some unknown proportion... The imprecise probabilist can model the situation as follows: P(R)=1/3, P(B)=P(Y)=[0,2/3]."
But concavity of g in p means that Jensen's inequality applies: E[g(p)] < g(E[p])
For the growth-rate formula given just above, Jensen’s inequality does not produce a strict gap. That formula is affine in p, so averaging over p gives equality: E[g(p)] = g(E[p]).
Full reasoning
Using the formula stated immediately above this claim,
g(p) = p·log(1+f) + (1-p)·log(1-f),
we can simplify:
g(p) = log(1-f) + p·(log(1+f) - log(1-f)).
That is an affine (linear) function of p, not a concave one. Its second derivative with respect to p is 0. For affine functions, Jensen's inequality gives equality, not a strict inequality:
E[g(p)] = g(E[p]).
So the post's mathematical step is incorrect as written. The strict inequality claimed here does not follow from the Kelly/log-growth formula it gives, and the subsequent claim that averaging over urn compositions makes the average growth rate strictly lower than the known-probability case is unsupported by this argument.
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- Probability - The Kelly Criterion
"If we instead bet a constant fraction f of our wealth each time... Thus almost surely: G = q lg (1 + f) + p lg (1 - f) due to the law of large numbers."
The average time-average growth rate across all possible urn compositions is strictly less than the time-average growth rate you get when the probability is known to be 1/2.
This conclusion is mathematically wrong for the growth formula given in the post. For that formula, averaging over urn compositions gives the same value as plugging in the average probability, not a strictly smaller one; and in the classic Ellsberg setup the known probability is 1/3, not 1/2.
Full reasoning
This sentence compounds two errors.
First, for the log-growth formula the post itself gives,
g(p) = p·log(1+f) + (1-p)·log(1-f),
g is affine in p, so averaging over urn compositions yields
E[g(p)] = g(E[p]),
not a strictly smaller value.
Second, in the classic Ellsberg urn the known-probability benchmark is the bet on red, whose probability is 1/3 (30 red balls out of 90 total), not 1/2. A uniform prior over the number of black balls gives an expected black count of 30, which corresponds to an overall draw probability of 30/90 = 1/3.
So the statement is incorrect both about the inequality and about the benchmark probability.
2 sources
- Probability - The Kelly Criterion
"Thus almost surely: G = q lg (1 + f) + p lg (1 - f) due to the law of large numbers."
- Imprecise Probabilities (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)
"I have an urn that contains ninety marbles. Thirty marbles are red. The remainder are blue or yellow in some unknown proportion... The imprecise probabilist can model the situation as follows: P(R)=1/3, P(B)=P(Y)=[0,2/3]."